They literally only care to make a quick buck off of luring new players in with shiny toys in paid bundles. It's hard to just play for fun when you're in the mood to play Cold War tanks, but realise that without putting in massive amounts of time you'll never get there. People who enjoy both air and tank battles now must decide which one to focus on and grind. And, of course, when you are flying unspaded things, you are performing worsley, so of course you earn less xp, and that makes grindimg other vehicles longer. I just wanted to say this publicly so I can have an official record to look back on if I ever get the need to reinstall War … Press J to jump to the feed. They're adding stuff to the top to attept to balance it out and stuff to lower tiers to make it fresh. It's very obvious that Gaijin don't actually even play their own gane. RP may be broken in RB.. Play this certain amount and/or spend some certain amount and you get extra traits. I also enjoyed it, when I got used to jet combat, that is. Why further divide the player base? Completely understand man , have you tried the PVE game here ? I've been a F2P player since 2014 and I mainly play Air RB. I’m not saying they should eliminate premium or make a lvl V vehicle unlock-able In half a day, but the game needs to be made more accessible to the casual player. Honestly i said this a few years ago... FPE should be standard along with tool kits. It's the balance. I am mainly air force player. And if you really complain about inadequacy of ground/air progress, planes are ridiculously easy to unlock. But for the causal player just starting now, when they realize the grind they face after tier I-II, they are not going to stick around. That way your 'BONUS' RP for spading will be applied directly to that higher tier research vehicle! 'Why should we spend GE, if we want to stand a chance? It's as if they expect this to be the only game you play and you only work for half a day. If someone likes planes, he can fly them, if he likes tanks, he can drive them, if he wants both, there is also mode for that. I find RB and SB totaly unrealistic and very boring. If you ever see me posting on this subreddit again with screenshots of gameplay or something like that, call me out on it. Good luck! Again, all this even with Premium. Being that the economy exists solely to prolong the grind, fixing the grind means also fixing the economy, and vice-versa. I enjoy the game far more now without the burden of Teh GRIND™, The Grind is absurd right now. The Grind was tough but there is an end to it. 59. It would take me days to get a new vehicle around tier 3, weeks for tier 4. While this is a step up from a f2p it still requires a lot of time to unlock vehicles. oneye. 200 k feels like eternity already. And here comes the problem - I don't want to judge plane's performance when it's stock. Introduce premium boosters that can be activated after a match. They already have 3 revenue streams, premium vehicles, premium accounts, and early access to factions. By making vehicles easier to unlock, it encourages growth and experimentation within the game. The progression is actually so fast to me that I am losing my 3m SL stockpile from having to buy all these vehicles! This grind for Tier V tank modifications is ridiculous. I have played proper tank simulators in which a track is not repaired in 20 seconds. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. Yet they've added almost double the number of nations and more than quadrupled the number of tech trees. Point remains: RP gain in SB is much higher. It's okay. There are games out there which survives without grind/pay to play something of desire quicker, there are ways to create a game,which keeps the players, let them pay and play without ruining balancing or messing up gameplay. Like nobody is forcing you to play the top tier. Use that premium tank you bought with that aircraft you just unlocked instead of buying a vehicle to be the only one in its tier. It's been a fun ride, but I'm done. If the player sticks around, that's cool, but not their main focus. But that's only because there's no way out. ', At top tier stock vs spaded is more noticeable, and spading time is longer. You will profit, you hear? The strategy is to just keep adding vehicles and factions. I can go into a SIM game for 15 minutes and kill 5 tanks, assists on 2 and I will get about 5000RP or more. First of all, settling for an "endgame" to war thunder would just make it stale. I think they would make even more money if there are that many people (because there are more people) and because people are more likely to pay in game when the game is fun / good and there are nice developers. Unlocking all the Air Force trees alone would just feel like a hopeless goal that can never be achieved. (premium account for YT code and J6K). New players that come along are now up against more spaded machinery than probably ever before. I reached a point in the game where i almost bought every Tier 4 tank (except for the Japan tree) and had every plane spaded but realised at one point i have to go all back to Tier 1 because Gaijin keeps adding new vehicles all the time and i lost the will the go back and do it all over again. In the market for War Thunder Equipment? I know the counter argument that will be proposed being that they need to make money. it's basicly impractical (I'd say impossible) to do T4 and T5 without splashing the cash. If you do it like this( at least for me) you will get high tier tanks in approximately a month, that's how i approach the grinding trying to unlock my leopard. Introduce premium + account better rewards and bonuses. It is so much more longer than in air battles (probably because you need whole lineups). American Fighting style - War Thunder - For All American Fighters, this tactic applies XD - Duration: 10:12. It only took me 3 years to get all planes and all tanks with a Premium account for only 2 of those years. It's hard to just play for fun when you're in the mood to play Cold War tanks, but realise that without putting in massive amounts of time you'll never get there. I can't support this developer anymore, not in good conscience. Play for fun and dont grind anything. Without G-suit you can't turn, and without boosters you can't pull enough G to evade missile. Currently I have over 110 and still need to research rockets. Do they? But even a realistic shooter like Arma and escape from tarkov are more fun than war thunder and definitely have/had more players. Don't play this game as a grind, play what's fun, fuck the grind, fuck all that shit, do what you want not what the game wants from you. Once you get yourself some T4 vehicles, you have tank for every lower lineup. (At least if there's not a patch that fixes this shit). Problem is, I don't think Gaijin cares about the long term gains from player retention anymore. Even on first jets the performance difference is more noticeable. Very true, the attention to detail in the flight models and vehicle models in general seems like a labour of love almost... whereas the rest of the game is overbearingly obnoxious, There are well over 500 vehicles in War Thunder across 9 Nations. They all complained that the grind was too much. I'm doing that now. I can go into a SIM game for 15 minutes and kill 5 tanks, assists on 2 and I will get about 5000RP or more. Another tip is, find a plane you like the look of, learn its strengths, and use that plane to grind out other ones. Okay3 crew man died but with last man standing,this is not a kill, niceeeeeeeeeeeeee, 37 seconds reload....for the deathshot...cool story. I’m not saying they should eliminate premium or make a lvl V vehicle unlock-able In half a day, but the game needs to be made more accessible to the casual player. It's not like the tanks weren't 220000-380000 just to get to begin with, but 33000 rp for repair parts. People who enjoy both air and tank battles now must decide which one to focus on and grind. Do take care! The thing is, you can't really make it "accessible to casuals" without making it broken one way or the other. I loved the tier system that unlocked multiple planes at once while letting you fly whatever you wanted to achieve it, and I loved that planes were competitive out of the box. like a standard 1 use tool kit along with a one use FPE until you unlock them. OH by the way: fragments of APHE have a 100% chance of igniting your ammoracks. They don't seem to understand that keeping the players is just as important as reeling them in. Come on snail, make your game good again, make the players happy and so making player base bigger. Since then it's just gotten more and more insulting. Here's the deal though, they don't want money... they want ALL the money. That way you will not get research nerfs and will maximize your research. Why play F-4C, when at same BR you get F-4E with integrated gun, slats, AIM-9J, flares and more thrust? they made vehicles easier to unlock multiple times since 2012, they reduced RP costs of multiple tier IV and V vehicless and removed battle rp hard cap. Just like you can't access end-game raids in WoW or fight Endgame bosses in Path of Exile after day of playtime. They don't even have to reduce the grind itself. And to be honest the problem I see at that BRs (5.7+) is not the grind. Realistically what they could implement is a balance between being a person who spends some money and a whale. That is how i got to tier IV japan fairly quickly when it was in CBT on the live servers. Another thing that I noticed in air battles is SL earning. Something the average person does not have. I started around 2012/2013 on my original account; I gotta say the grind to me is much easier now than before. Using premium accounts and talisman. So do it. Like they're mutually exclusive things. I get it, not all games are for everyone. It's almost like the game is made by two teams - the engine and flight model is incredible and clearly made by people who care, it just seems to be let down by a marketing team who ruins it all with terrible balance and insulting progress. In overall result, grinding up British tree effectively made me -3M SL, and I still have FV4005, Conqueror, Falcon to grind + I'm halfway to Chieftain. From that statement it seems like there is difference between playing and grinding. War thunder isn't fun anymore. rygaku, April 5, 2017 in General Discussion. If you are playing Tier 1, switch to your Tier 1 or 2 vehicle. A lot of people are seasoned veterans who see new vehicle in their tree and they can easily grind it right away. I reach Germany all free to play. That's all what you care about, yes? A lot of people are playing right now which is awesome. Now is the time for Gaijin to act and capitalize. The answer lies in the money side of the game. I really agree with you that they should reduce the grind now significantly, that you have to grind maybe 6 hours for a tier 5 and 6, and 10 for a Top tier, because just like you sayd they have an opportunity right now with this much players. If I can suggest anything to help it would be to have several vehicles or planes in multiple tiers being researched at a time. In SB, T4 is perfectly fine, troubles starts in T5, however it applies only to Soviet and US trees, where you have grind through multiple vehicles to get top ones (in both), or grind thousands of points to get useful ammo (in US). I've since lost hope that the game will ever return to the way I preferred, and only reinstall it roughly once a year to scratch that itch before inevitably getting disillusioned again. Something the average person does not have. (Not everything is final, if this were to hurt the amount of money they made it could always be reverted). Cool, I get it. Full-time tank destroyer." True. Have you tried not playing for the grind? In less games and with much less kills I was researching my first tier 5 tank. So 10.000 Rp per day. Edit: hell, they even had a sale recently where it was a full year of premium for $25. But you warn XP. Back then, unlocking every plane in the game was very doable. They are greedy and stupid in most aspects, but the grind is manageable to get to top tier itself. The grind is not a problem anymore, more the economy is a more pressing issue. Download War Thunder … The continous addition of new vehicles and new upgrades made me give up on trying to unlock everything and now i just play what i feel like and not worry about the grind anymore. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. But if the hesh shell of that F4005, you know 18cm, grinds trough the armor, those shrapnells are just making everything black. Time, and experience points, fly when you're having fun. Honestly I think planes are much easier than tanks currently. Shot an IS6 two times in the turret side, both times the ammos got blacked completely! -OTOMATIC, Official Canadian Tech Tree Advocate/Wake Island Ultrasim Event. Cool, I get it. harder done than said....but play the game for your enjoyment and not worry about the grind. So when you unlock new jet you have to go back to props to earn money actually. 10:12. I grinded out the G.91 much faster than I anticipated. I just wanted to say this publicly so I can have an official record to look back on if I ever get the need to reinstall War Thunder and they haven't changed things. I’ve never participated and don’t plan to. I love War Thunder, I really do, but when I use a 300% booster and it still feels like I'm getting nothing in return, there's a problem. The grind is honestly just too much at this point to justify playing this game anymore. I took me over 80 battles to unlock all the modification upgrades. This is another issue with SB. Ho 229 and Arados are worthless thanks to F-89D and A2D spam. I managed to get 4 friends to play. I stopped caring about RP per game and I am 20k from the M48 without realizing. I simply came back home and enjoyed some flying. As for top tier balance, toppest tier was never well balanced but given enough time it gets there (look at Brs like 7.3-8.0 that used to be top tier in the past). You'll be back. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, ️Your️dank️memes️can't️melt my️Kruppstahl️.